[MLUG] Re: Re: Encryption and the law

[Michael Danicich <hetfield AT hetfield.net>]

For the record, I'm not taking exception to the facts (at least the 
ones that are verifiable) as I am also aware of these things.  I'm 
taking exception to how he seems to act towards authority like my 
annoying little brother used to towards me as kids; antagonizing until 
you deck him, at which point he tells mommy and daddy about how you hit 
him for no reason whatsoever.  I have very little tolerance for that 
kind of behavior, especially on a listserv that has a purpose other 
than subverting authority.

In my defense, my opinions on Joe's rants on this list are confined 
strictly to the information he's posted on this list because I have not 
really talked to him outside of the few meetings we were both at.  
Those meetings were several years ago before the change in tone of 
Joe's emails between 2006 and 2007. Whatever happened he has not shared 
with the list as much as he's shared other things like his intense 
distrust for FEMA.

I don't trust every action of my government either, but I did not join 
the Milwaukee Linux Users Group listserv to learn about abuse of 
authority.  Should I want to enter into those discussions with Joe or 
anyone else, I will seek them out in the appropriate places.

At this point I feel like a broken record, as this is very similar to 
the last back-and-forth we had about this not even one year ago.  It is 
obvious to me that neither the "owner" of this list nor the board wish 
to see any change in the direction of MLUG which is also evident in the 
condition of the website.  I know I am not the first person who has 
become frustrated with MLUG because of this, but I am also trying not 
to give in to the frustration. Maybe I just need to finally 
follow-through with what I've been telling myself about how I should 
really try to attend some of the meetings again, because merely 
sticking to the mailing list isn't working for me.

Mike

Quoting Justin Purdy 
<bigdaddyj AT gmail.com>:

> In Joe's defense, some of his information is accurate. Encryption algorithms
> are in fact considered munitions by the federal government. There is in fact
> currently a bill working its way quietly through congress that, among other
> things, would require IT personnel to be registered and licensed (S.3480,
> Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act) - this one actually makes me
> nervous.
>
> Joe's problem is that he casts a wide net, but has trouble separating the
> wheat from the chaff in his results.  If any of us had experienced half the
> things he has in the past few years, we might behave in a similar fashion.
> Just because he's paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get him.
>
> Joe, if I were in your shoes, I would really think about who your audience
> is when wording your correspondence. Not everybody has the same worldview
> that you do.
>
> On Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM, "Joe Baker" 
> <joebaker AT dcresearch.com>
>  wrote:
>
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> My dear friends,
>
> It has come to my realization that among the many reasons for the
> persecution of me by the governments is that I am skilled at encryption
> and building secured computer systems that are extremely difficult to
> hack into using the normal tools available them.
>
> Well, I just wanted to say to those of you who are known to have
> encryption skills, start thinking about how you can get underground so
> you cannot be easily found to be terminated.  Encryption tools are akin
> to the power of nuclear weapons as far as the government is concerned.
> We each have the power to topple corruption by exposing truth like
> WikiLeaks has shown.
>
> So encryption-istas, be on your guard.  Try to stay away from the
> Wal-Marts where mass surveilance and cooperation with FEMA has been
> documented in the gun sales arena.
>
> A friend mentioned to me that a huge number of microbiologists had
> turned up dead some time ago and that it was because they understood the
> genetic codes to the engineered plagues and viruses that were going around.
>
> I've read that there are moves afoot to license systems administrators
> for businesses.  Don't do it!  Don't get your name on another list where
> they can identify who and where you are....  you are important to the
> survival of the free flow of information.... you have the only truly
> authenticate-able way to send such information to the masses.
>
> So my friends, watch your back and sharpen your skills, your fellow men
> and women need your skills like never before.  If you're into software
> development, I encourage you to find ways to secretly aid encryption
> software development.  If you can find a way to house such developers --
> an underground railroad of sorts needs to be developed to keep such
> developers safe secure yet connected.
>
> - -Joey
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